Written by CJC Member: Judy Hanmer I thought last night's talk raised some very interesting questions but was sorry that Edna didn't open up more of a discussion about the basic reasons for men's fear of women (I often wonder if it stems from being afraid of the power of a strong mother when boys are small and powerless - a very shaming situation which goes underground because it often occurs before a child has the words to describe it - see Eric Ericsons stages of development). . I rather regretted my comment that things were different now and was sorry that someone brought it up as it sounded as if I disagreed with the speaker about the toxic culture we have inherited. My reaction was because she was saying all the things that people like Betty Frieden, Gloria Steiner, Kate Millet, Germaine Greer and many others were saying in my youth and I wondered whether she is seeing a lot of women from the orthodox Jewish community in which the paradigm she was talking about still prevails (I have read a couple of novels by people from this community recently but sadly haven't any Jewish friends I can ask about it). So I was not actually disagreeing with her thesis, but more feeling that the paradigm has shifted now and attacks on women are taking a different form because they can no longer be controlled within marriage. It would be really interesting to discuss this. I do so miss the opportunity to unpack what emerged in a plenary as we used to do in the Therapists' Forum. Perhaps we should create a small group for this purpose?